In a recent episode of the Business of Philanthropy, Badr Jafar, Emirati philanthropist and Founding Patron of the Centre for Strategic Philanthropy at the University of Cambridge, speaks with United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees Filippo Grandi.

The pair discuss Grandi’s three decades of humanitarian work, changes in funding opportunities for humanitarian causes, and ways that local businesses can play a role in mitigating the global humanitarian situation.

Listen to the full conversation below.